Taylor Swift revealed the exact moment she started to notice sexism in the music industry, and ugh

With about two weeks to go until Taylor Swift’s next album, Lover, hits shelves, the pop star is at the top of her game. She’s released three new bops about loving yourself and has ended a long-time feud. But Swift’s life isn’t all pastel colors and butterflies. The singer is no stranger to being underestimated or ridiculed because of her gender, and in a new interview, she got candid about the moment she started experiencing this sexism in the music industry.

Swift is the cover star for Vogue‘s September 2019 issue, and in the story, she shared that, at first, when she broke into the industry as a teen, she didn’t notice the persistent mistreatment of other women in the business. But once she “became a woman,” it quickly became apparent.

Swift also explained that this new backlash against her coincided with Red‘s release and resounding success.

Swift has often been mocked her for writing about her past relationships—a fact that she then parodied in 1989‘s “Blank Space.” As she told Vogue, “find me a time when they say that about a male artist.” The most frustrating part is that she’s far from the only female artist to face sexist criticism of her work. We’re glad she’s sharing her experience, which illuminates how we treat successful women.