Meghan, the Duchess of Sussex, put her podcast, Archetypes, on hold following the death of Queen Elizabeth. Archetypes launched in August featuring a conversation with Serena Williams, and the two subsequent episodes featured Mariah Carey and Mindy Kaling. Yet, with the death of the Queen, the podcast's weekly release schedule was paused—until today, following the end of the royal mourning period.
In Archetype's fourth episode, Meghan Markle speaks with comedian Margaret Cho and broadcast journalist Lisa Ling about the stereotypes East Asian women face. Unlike other episodes, Meghan doesn't share much about herself, except revealing she loves Hacks, the HBO comedy starring Jean Smart and Hannah Einbinder, and that growing up in Los Angeles, she "had a real love of getting to know other cultures."
The Duchess of Sussex also recounts going with her mom, Doria Ragland, to the Korean spa. She remembers, "Now those of you who haven’t been to one before it’s a very humbling experience for a girl going through puberty because you enter a room with women from ages 9 to maybe 90 all walking around naked, and waiting to get a body scrub on one of the tables lined up in a row. All I wanted was a bathing suit but you’re not allowed by the way. And once I was over that adolescent embarrassment, my mom and I, we would go upstairs, we would sit in the room upstairs, having a steaming bowl of the most delicious noodles, and we’d look around at all of these other women. These beautiful Korean women who had embraced the generational tradition of the jimjilbang and shared it with one another."
At the end of the episode, Meghan shares a moment with Lisa and her daughter, Jett. Meghan asks both of them what three words they would use to describe themselves—something she asks all her Archetypes guests—and Jett says weird, twice.
"I loved it," Meghan says of the "weird" definition. "Because she gets to. As we all get to define ourselves as we see fit."
She concludes, "If you want to be weird or be sponge-like, be silly or fierce, be curious, or even self-doubting or unsure some days and strong and brave on others. Whatever it is. That's up to you. Just be yourself no matter what any societal framework or archetype or loud voice coming from a small place tells you that you should be. Be yourself. Your full, complete, whole layered, sometimes weird, sometimes awesome, but always best and true self. Just be you. You’re so much greater than any archetype."
Listen to the full episode here:
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