Yahoo! TV Q&A: 'Downton Abbey's' Rob James-Collier on Season 3, Shirley MacLaine, and what makes Thomas so evil
As the ever-scheming footman Thomas on the hit British import “Downton Abbey,” Rob James-Collier plays the type of malicious villain who just needs an old-timey mustache to twirl to complete the package. (He stole the family dog, for Pete’s sake!) But we’re happy to report that in real life, James-Collier is charming, funny, and even (gasp) sort of likable. (Don’t tell Mr. Carson we said that.)
In a phone interview last month, the 36-year-old British actor told us about his wild driving adventures in Los Angeles (“I nearly killed a few people. Completely accidental… I apologize, a mad Englishman’s driving around”) before giving us a tantalizing preview of “Downton” Season 3, including a “heavyweight slugfest” between Dame Maggie Smith and newcomer Shirley MacLaine -- and a surprising display of vulnerability from Thomas.
Last we saw Thomas, his business venture went south and he was forced to return to Downton as a footman. Is he humbled at all going into Season 3?
You’d think he’d be a lot more humble and lose a bit of arrogance, but no. [Laughs] I’m afraid not. When we arrive back at Downton Abbey, he’s still the same old Thomas. He’s now operating as his lordship’s valet, because [Mr.] Bates is in prison. He’s got to the top of the tree, which is where he’s always wanted to be. So you’d think he’d chill out a bit and be a bit nicer to his fellow man. But no, he doesn’t, because a new footman comes in who’s a nephew of Miss O’Brien.
[Thomas] sees him getting special treatment from Mr. Carson and getting promoted to footman really quickly. Thomas had to work really hard to get where he is and never got any breaks, and this guy, as Thomas perceives it, is getting favoritism and he resents that. He sees him as a threat. And in his typical way of thinking, he says, “I’m going to annihilate that threat, by hook or by crook.” So he sets out to make him look silly and inadequate in his role, which then sparks the fires in Miss O’Brien. What you get, which carries all the way through the season, is this sort of one-upmanship between them. Instead of being allies, “smoking allies,” as I call them, they turn on each other. It starts out as little jokey things, but develops into something quite more sinister, and results in Thomas being completely destroyed, and as vulnerable as the audience will ever seen him. And it’s all at the hands of Miss O’Brien.
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Yeah, we’re definitely used to seeing Thomas and O’Brien plotting together, but now you’re saying they’re at odds?
Yeah, and it’s great to see that progression, because we love what we call our “smoking plotting scenes.” And they’re quite true. You’ll get that at a lot of workplaces, because you can’t smoke inside. So people bond on their smoking breaks outside, because they’re always in each other’s company. That’s how it started with those two, I think. It was great seeing those two work together like a pack of hyenas.
But as something progresses, I just don’t think you can always have them doing the same thing. So it was great that [creator] Julian [Fellowes] chose them to turn on each other. And it really is like a battle of evil wills, if you will. But for me, O’Brien’s always been the cleverer of the two, so I think she’ll come out on top, hands down.
Thomas definitely comes off as a villain, but we’ve seen other sides to him: his attempts to have a relationship with another man, his fears during the war. Will we see more of that in Season 3: like you said, a more vulnerable side to Thomas?
Yeah, I’m so chuffed about this season; I’ve really been privileged with the storyline that Julian’s written for Thomas, because we actually get to the crux of his sexuality. We really get onto the layers of what it must’ve been like to be a homosexual man in Edwardian times, when it was illegal and against God. I mean, this is a guy who, if his sexuality is discovered, his career’s over with. No references. Your life’s over. You’d essentially starve to death because you’d never get work again. There’s a stigma that comes with it, in those times.
And for me as an actor, that just gives me a sense of why Thomas is like he is. He’s very acerbic, he’s very bitter towards his fellow man, he’s very protective, he never lets anyone in. It’s because he’s got this huge secret, and he’s got no one to express it to. There were no gay bars in Edwardian times. I keep pitching to Julian there should be a spinoff series where Thomas opens the first Edwardian gay bar. [Laughs] But he’s not having any of it.