Game of Thrones By the Book: Theon Gets Cut Down to Size, Joffrey Fears Dragons
Hello, friends and bannermen. Sunday's Game of Thrones gave us sex, creepy feelings and sometimes both in the same scene! How did the episode match up with the books? How did it differ?
This weekly chat series is for fans of George R.R. Martin's A Song of Ice and Fire books, upon which HBO's fantasy drama is based. It's meant to be a safe haven to discuss spoilers and changes from the novels and how they have played out or will play out in the TV series. Hanh Nguyen and Sadie Gennis are longtime fantasy fans of varying levels of geekiness who will sound off on all things Westerosi (and beyond!).
[Warning: If you're a Game of Thrones fan who has stumbled upon this chat and haven't read the books yet, begone! Instead, check out our recap of Sunday's episode "The Bear and the Maiden Fair" for a spoiler-free discussion.]
Game of Thrones "The Bear and the Maiden Fair" recap
Hanh: Uh, wow. For once I'm glad that Theon's torture was not explicitly shown. I have to assume that they were going to castrate or geld him, since that was alluded to in the books. I just wish he tried to get away instead of getting turned on by the whore -- who is not one of the good whores on this show! But I suppose being tortured made him befuddled.
Sadie: I actually don't remember any allusions to Theon parting ways with his little general.
Hanh: Yeah, I think it's more of hinted at
Sadie: Hmm... I doubt it will go much farther than the physical torture stages, but hopefully we'll start to see him emotionally break pretty soon. Even though I'm a Theon sympathizer, I'd love to see him become Reek (rhymes with weak), etc. He's very traumatized from Ramsay's torture, but we saw him try to escape still. That's note something Reek would dare attempt. Ramsay's so twisted, I couldn't help but worry what he's going to do with Theon's thing once it's off.
Hanh: I feel he already has! But any sort of removal/damaging of his manhood will surely do so. His idea of self-worth and power was so wrapped up in womanizing. And he won't bounce back like Varys did. It makes me wonder how far they're going to take Theon's story this season. I know that his sister will come in, so at least that much we'll see, but not until the end though.
Sadie: Asha/Yara and Theon will be reunited?!
Hanh: Not certain about reuniting, but Yara will definitely show her face. It may have something more to do with Balon though.
Sadie: Ahh, okay. That's right. We still haven't seen the kingsmoot. Reading Book 5 and watching Season 3 are leaving me so mixed up, especially since they decided to bring Theon's story line into this season.
Hanh: It makes the most sense to do so since Season 5 (or 6) couldn't really work in flashback. But I think a midseason miniseries would have been a lovely alternative.
Sadie: Or maybe just run Game of Thrones daily and all year round, soap-opera style. Money, schmoney! It'd be worth it!
Hanh: Ha! I don't know if my poor heart could take it. As it is, the suspense and foreshadowing for Episode 9 is killing me!
Sadie: I knooow! When Robb and Talissa were being so sweet and tender -- I just died. But talk about gratuitous nudity!
Hanh: Well, it allows us to see how Robb got a baby in her so fast.
Sadie: Haha. True. And there definitely has been a lack of shirtless Robb recently. Now that we're talking, this whole episode was so romance heavy
Hanh: Orell is part of a love triangle! That was different.
Sadie: Yes, that was ... interesting. I kind of wish that Orell had simply hated Jon because he was a crow and a turncloak. Or maybe because he's a warg who doens't warg out. Not EVERYTHING has to come down to sex (though GRRM might disagree)
Hanh: Exactly. I'm trying to understand the point of that scene. Ygritte on the show already said she knows Jon is loyal to his cause. So it's not like Orell's suspicions are new to her.
Sadie: Exactly! The entire interaction seemed a little out of nowhere and slightly irrelevant, which makes me wonder if Orell's lustful interests in Ygritte will serve some purpose later on.
Hanh: Right. He might be the spur for Jon to leave with a well-timed incident or something. OK, let's move on to the saddest romance on the show: Tyrion and Shae. I mean, the series has made Shae so much more than she was in the books that I'm about as heartbroken as she is that Tyrion is going to go through with this marriage to Sansa!
Sadie: Making her Sansa's handmaiden has added such a great dynamic! Of course, in the books Shae didn't give a flying f--- about Tyrion marrying her They've really made us root for them! Talk about sadism.
Hanh: And it really does show how sad Tyrion is -- he cares too much about what people think of him, that he ignores when this woman, who has treated him better than any of his own family, is in love with him. I could almost understand him being loyal to Jaime, but Tywin has done him no favors. Then again, if you're going to be a wretched Halfman, I guess it's best to be one in a rich and respected family.
Sadie: So true, because once Tyrion is flees Westeros we see what it's like to be just a regular Joe Halfman (and it ain't pretty). Even just when Cersei asks for his head, no one seemed to hesitate before killing every dwarf they saw in an attempt to get the reward.
Hanh: Damn you bloodthirsty Westerosi! *shakes fist*