Why We Like To Listen To The Underdog Stories Of Strangers

Peter Bresnan isn’t famous.

At least, not yet, but that’s what he’s trying to be -- or, if not famous, at least funny -- in his new podcast following his adventures in trying to be a stand-up comedian. It’s aptly titled: “Tell Me I’m Funny.”

His first two episodes provide a look into a world few see, save for other up-and-coming comedians: the open mics, the joke critiques, the feeling that his mom is his only fan. Stand-up comedy, for Bresnan, is “something I’ve always loved, but I’ve never actually tried doing before,” as he says in Episode 1. This isn’t the story of a Steve Martin or Sarah Silverman, or someone who’s had a bit of success on his local circuit.

Bresnan is an absolute beginner.

Other podcasts have followed their hosts as they try something new with unknown results: “First Day Back” garnered attention for Tally Abecassis’ vulnerable documentation of her return to the workforce after a long break; Megan Tan’s “Millennial” showcases the recent college grad’s attempts to find herself, and a career, through that early 20s haze. And, of course, there’s “StartUp,” which in its first season followed Alex Blumberg as he created what is now Gimlet Media, a podcasting powerhouse in its own right with nary a missed note in their catalog.

What draws us to these underdog stories, tales of attempts, of unsure outcomes? It follows logic to be interested in someone successful: in interviews and profiles, we want to know about Stephen King’s writing habits; Amy Schumer’s comedic brain; Steph Curry’s smooth court moves. But it’s unlikely that Wanda from down the street will appear on the cover of a magazine anytime soon. To an extent, it makes sense: why inquire about a stranger’s life? We shouldn’t care as much.

Yet, it turns out, we do.

Podcasting doesn’t necessarily incur the large costs that most life examiners -- book deals, documentaries, magazines -- have to contend with, meaning they’re also not bound by the need to have an insanely huge fan base to exist. Anyone with a microphone, a story and some computer know-how can start their own show. This is not to undercut the skill level and logged hours needed to create agoodpodcast, which is clear in Tan’s, Bresnan’s, and the other aforementioned shows, but let's agree the startup costs are lower and the pathways more accessible in the digital content realm than, say, in Hollywood.

As a listener and non-famous person, I can conjecture that these stories are enjoyable because of some existential comfort they provide: I can see myself as the unsure stand-up finding out how his act went over onstage, or the woman who is unsure how to be outside of the assured path of college. If they’re not journeys I’ve been through myself, they’re journeys that, thanks to the hosts, tap into basic feelings we’re all equipped with: questioning our worth, having a dream, feeling hopeful, feeling static.

The journey these “beginner” podcasts follow also carries the weight of the unexpected. Will Tan get the highly coveted NPR internship she discusses in "Millennial"? Will anyone tell Bresnan he’s funny? All we know, as listeners, is that the odds are against them. Success isn’t guaranteed, a factor that taps into our love for the underdog. Daniel Engber exploredthis phenomenon on Slate in 2010. While his article generally focuses on underdogs in sports, the takeaways transfer: “... the expected value of a bet on an underdog -- its average payoff in raw, chest-bumping excitement -- will always be higher than the expected value of a bet on the favorite.” The story of, "I'm perfectly satisfied and will continue to be," doesn't really have the satisfying arc we crave in our narratives.

A photo posted by Megan Tan (@mmmmtan)on Oct 19, 2015 at 4:21am PDT

There’s also the confessional nature inherent to these podcasts; the feeling while listening that you’ve stumbled upon a stranger’s audio diary. There’s personal stuff that many would typically conceal from others (think missteps, fears, insecurities) being piped right into our ear buds. A sense of trust is built, a closeness wherein it seems natural to want to support the hosts in their missions. Most people wouldn't recognize them on the street, but hosts of these personal-diary-type podcasts show that, with the right framing, an individual's own journey can be a compelling one.

We’re fixated on -- and, yes, rooting for -- the protagonist’s lives, which can be tricky for a creator when the story she's covering is her own. As your reality shifts, your product does, too.

“The tricky thing about this podcast is, I’m documenting my life and enough really crazy amazing things, or interesting things have to be happening in for it to be a good podcast,”Tan said in an interviewwith PRX. “So I question the longevity of it, but I also think there’s a potential for it to boomerang in a different direction.”

Similar podcasts have undergone this boomerang she mentions: “StartUp,” once Blumberg’s company was, well, started up. It shifted its focus to documenting another beginner of sorts in Season 2: Dating Ring, a matchmaking service in its early stages. And when “First Day Back” felt complete as a season, Abecassis promised, in the latest episode, that she’d be back with stories of other people’s first days back.

It’s unclear how Bresnan’s comedy career will go; whether Abecassis can enter the same film industry she left when she became a mom; if Tan will get the radio-producing job of her dreams. But they’ve made us care about what will happen next -- whatever, indeed, that might be.

Previously in podcast thoughts:Even Without Visuals, Eerie Podcasts Are Taking Hold

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by shows like &ldquo;Whose Line Is It Anyway?&rdquo; She manages to translate her onstage experience into our earbuds with this podcast, in which she is the constant special guest to a rotating cast of hosts, including comedy-scene mainstays like Gabe Liedman, Nick Kroll and Cameron Esposito. The result is an always different, totally inventive show (some &ldquo;show titles&rdquo; include &ldquo;A Lil&rsquo; Dab&rsquo;ll Do Ya&rdquo; and &ldquo;NBA on NPR&rdquo;) where neither us listeners nor Lauren nor her host know what&rsquo;s coming next. If you listen to this, you&rsquo;ll probably be the weirdo who&rsquo;s laughing at nothing on the subway, but it&rsquo;s worth it.</p>

“OffCamera”

<p class="MsoNormal"><strong>For:</strong> Lovers of longform celeb profiles who need to, like, run errands and drive and stuff</p> <p class="MsoNormal">This audio offshoot of the magazine and web series of the same name is an ideal antidote for those who love famous faces, but not the uninspired sound bites or tabloidy gossip that accompanies them. Host Sam Jones, a photographer and director by trade with his own connections to the industry, sits down for fascinating and refreshing chats with celebrities of all sorts: try Lizzy Caplan, Jon Hamm, or Matt Damon&rsquo;s episodes on for size.</p>

“Criminal”

<p class="MsoNormal"><strong>For:</strong> Fair-weather podcasters who only listened to &ldquo;Serial&rdquo; and want more</p> <p class="MsoNormal">If you were one of the zillion people last fall to help catapult &ldquo;Serial&rdquo; to its place as the first legitimate podcast sensation, this calmer -- yet just as intriguing -- series hosted by Phoebe Judge will satisfy you until the next season and beyond. Each episode covers one true crime, from a former fake money-printer to a son who discovered his mom&rsquo;s online paramour was a scam artist&nbsp;to a&nbsp;brother who desires to avenge his sister&rsquo;s murder. Judge&rsquo;s careful and illuminating reporting and interviews blur the lines between right and wrong, between an evildoer and a complex human who just got caught in the wrong place.</p>

“She Does”

<p class="MsoNormal"><strong>For:</strong> Creatives in need of inspiration</p> <p class="MsoNormal">Who does the coolest &lsquo;cast about women entrepreneurs and artists these days? &ldquo;She Does,&rdquo; hosted by Elaine Sheldon and Sarah Ginsburg, illuminates a prominent woman in media in each episode. You&rsquo;ll be hooked after episode 1, with &ldquo;High Maintenance&rdquo; co-creator Katja Blichfeld, but the inspiration and how-do-I-get-your-job envy don&rsquo;t stop there: available episodes also feature the likes of Anna Sale (see our next recommendation), photojournalist Lyric Cabral and senior Pixar executive Mary Coleman. The show's guests prove time and time again that the creative dream's not dead.&nbsp;</p>

“Death, Sex and Money”

<p class="MsoNormal"><strong>For:</strong> People with a voyeuristic streak</p> <p class="MsoNormal">Host Anna Sale starts each episode of her podcast reminding us we&rsquo;re about to dive into &ldquo;&rsquo;Death, Sex and Money&rsquo; &hellip; the things we think about a lot a need to talk about more.&rdquo; Among the group of podcasts that focus on interviews with so-called average folk -- people who are not household names, yet still have wild, interesting tales to tell --<span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp; </span>this one from WNYC might be the cream of the crop. Whether she&rsquo;s interviewing a funeral director about his business or asking a freelance producer why she came back to the same city that priced her out, Sale isn&rsquo;t afraid to bring up the tough stuff and put a close lens on her varied subjects, and remind us that we all struggle with the same basic desires and crises. <span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;</span></p>

“The Sporkful”

<p class="MsoNormal"><strong>For:</strong> Non-snobby food lovers</p> <p class="MsoNormal">Even if you feel befuddled by most foodie trends, you&rsquo;ll find common ground in &ldquo;The Sporkful,&rdquo; a WNYC podcast hosted by Dan Pashman. Aside from tantalizing food-related revelations like &ldquo;true confessions of a ballpark food vendor&rdquo; and &ldquo;investigating an office fridge food fest&rdquo; (the scourge of our modern times, TBH), the podcast has hosted notable personalities like Wyatt Cenac, Dan Savage and the creator of the cronut himself, Dominique Ansel. Even if you can&rsquo;t tell ramps from kohlrabi, you&rsquo;ll find yourself loving the weird food facts and perspectives unearthed with each episode.</p>

“Tape”

<p class="MsoNormal"><strong>For:</strong> Audiophiles who are feeling meta</p> <p class="MsoNormal">Described as &ldquo;a radio show for people who make radio&rdquo; by co-host Mickey Capper, this podcast features interviews with some of radio and podcasting&rsquo;s finest. Even for those without any experience behind a mic or&nbsp;a spit guard, it&rsquo;s an illuminating look at how to pursue your creative dreams -- and how to become among the best storytellers out there. Capper and co-host Mooj Zadie are clearly passionate about their subjects -- their questions lead each conversation to a different, interesting place, and the duo even brought the fun off the Internet with the Tape Festival in Brooklyn this past July.</p>