Planet Normal: There is no interest in sharing positive experiences of black people in Britain, says Tony Sewell

Columnists Allison Pearson and Liam Halligan speak to Tory Peer Dr Tony Sewell about his new book
Columnists Allison Pearson and Liam Halligan speak to Tory Peer Dr Tony Sewell about his new book
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“Windrush gets hijacked by the scandal in a way, and we don’t really learn of the story itself: of resilience and hope and great things that generation accomplished.”

On the latest Planet Normal podcast, which you can listen to using the audio player above, columnists Liam Halligan and Allison Pearson speak to Dr Tony Sewell CBE, about his book Black Success: The Surprising Truth and his experience of growing up in London in the 1970s.

When asked about the recent report by the Business Secretary Kemi Badenoch that claims diversity training is a ‘waste of money,’ Dr Sewell agrees that such schemes don’t address the more complex factors of race.

“The life of a Pakistani-background taxi driver living in Bradford is completely different to that of a Hindu Indian doctor living in Harrow. Yet the categories for the race put all brown people together and call it BAME”

“They’re not really thinking through the difference between disparity and discrimination, and that’s the key problem that we’ve got to unravel here.”

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