Pusha T Interviews Ava DuVernay About Her '13th' Documentary


In the midst of his stint as G.O.O.D Music president and dropping new music, Pusha T has stepped up to the forefront of political and social advocacy. The Brooklyn rapper has actively supported Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton, and as of late, King Push has dabbled in the journalism realm, interviewing his newest signee Desiigner. In a recent video released via Complex, the rapper flexes his reporting skills as he interviews filmmaker AvaDuvernay on the significance behind her newest film 13th, released in theaters on Oct. 7. 

Ava DuVernay's gripping documentary 13th is based on the 13th amendment, and sheds light on the increasingly high rate of mass incarceration within America. "Everybody knows the 13th amendment of the constitution says that there should be no slavery in the United States," DuVernay says to the former Clipse rhymer in the clip. "Most people don't know that that is a lie." Her documentary takes the 13th amendment and aims to expose its "loophole" that subtly states that slavery can indeed exist if a person is presumed to be a criminal. 

Since her 2008 directorial debut film,This Is the Life, Ava DuVernay has filled her impressive resume with riveting, socially-charged visuals like 13th. Her 2014 film Selma received critical acclaim for its powerful message and detailed account of Martin Luther King's famous march from Selma to Montgomery in 1965, which earned the filmmaker multiple NAACP awards and Golden Globe nominations. 

"So when you ask me what laws contributed to this, the main thing is I can tell you the laws, but I can also tell you these laws came into existence because there's a secret group, behind closed doors, initiated under the Regan administration," she explains. "To think that our laws are not made by lawmakers, many of the laws that have contributed to the 'war on drugs' or the 'war on crime,' and the reason why so many of our brothers and sisters are locked up... so it's um, it's deep."

"I think that compassion comes from knowledge," DuVernay continues."So if there's anything that is my hope with 13th, [it's that it] provides knowledge that can open up doors for compassion, that can open up to change." 

Watch Pusha T interview Ava DuVernay below.