In the back half of the second episode of Archetypes, Mariah Carey tells Meghan Markle, "You give us diva moments sometimes Meghan." Meghan laughs anxiously and responds, "I do? What kind of diva moments do I give you?" Mariah then explains, "It's the visual!" And Meghan says, "See that's the thing, I associate it differently."
Mariah then says, "I know, but let's pretend that you weren't so beautiful and didn't have the whole thing and didn't often have gorgeous ensembles. You wouldn't maybe get as much diva stuff. I don't care. I'm like, when I can, I'm going to give you diva."
Meghan clearly had a visceral reaction to Mariah, one of the greatest divas, calling her a diva. At the end of the episode, Meghan then speaks alone, in a voiceover, and recounts that moment for her listeners, and how that moment made her feel.
"It was all going swimmingly, I mean really well," the Duchess of Sussex gushes. "Until that moment happened, which I don't know about you, but it stopped me in my tracks… when she called me a diva! You couldn't see me, obviously, but I, I started to sweat a little bit. I started squirming in my chair in this quiet revolt, like, wait, wait, no, what? How? But? How could you? That's not true, that's not… Why would you say that? My mind genuinely was just spinning with what nonsense she must have read or clicked on to make her say that. I just kept thinking, in that moment, was my girl crush coming to a quick demise? Does she actually not see me?"
Meghan continues, "So she must have felt my nervous laughter, and you all would’ve heard it too. And she jumped right in to make sure I was crystal clear. When she said diva, she was talking about the way that I dress, the posture, the clothing, the quote unquote, fabulousness as she sees it. She meant diva as a compliment. But I heard it as a dig. I heard it as the word diva, as I think of it. But, in that moment, as she explained to me, she meant it as chic, as aspirational. And how one very charged word can mean something different for each of us, it’s mind blowing to me. And it actually made me realize that in these episodes, as I've opened the door for conversation surrounding the archetypes that try to hold us back. What I hadn't considered was that for some, reclaiming the words is what they feel will propel us forward."
Listen to the full podcast here:
Next week's Archetypes guest will be actress, comedian, and writer Mindy Kaling.
You Might Also Like