Beach Reads to Get You Through the Rest of the Summer: Women Who Travel Podcast

Lale Arikoglu, Meredith Carey
·33 min read

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Many of us have had complicated reading years, struggling to keep our attention trained on any one book—let alone finish one. So in this week's episode, we've tapped two of our favorite bookworms, Jynne Dilling Martin, an associate publisher at Riverhead Books, and Kalima DeSuze, activist and founder of the intersectional feminist bookstore at Cafe con Libros in Brooklyn, to share some of their favorite page-turners to pull you out of your reading slump. There's something for everyone, from a poem-like novel that's less than 300 pages to a New York Times bestselling book club pick. We also chat about the joys of young adult novels and the upcoming releases we're dying to get our hands on. 

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Meredith Carey: Hi everyone, and welcome to a new episode of Women Who Travel, a podcast from Condé Nast Traveler. I'm Meredith Carey and with me as always is my co-host Lale Arikoglu.

Lale Arikoglu: Hello.

MC: Somehow we are nearing the halfway point of August. As summer's end is approaching and we're looking towards final beach days and future cozy fall trips, we thought it was high time to catch you up on all of the books we've read recently and the ones we're looking forward to reading throughout the rest of the year to offer a little bit of inspiration. As a reminder, all of the authors that we'll mention today are women. Joining us are Jynne Dilling Martin, an associate publisher at Riverhead Books and Kalima DeSuze, activist and founder of the intersectional feminist bookstore at Cafe con Libros in Brooklyn to give us all of their suggestions. Thank you both so much for joining us.

Kalima DeSuze: Thank you for having me. I'm so excited.

Jynne Dilling Martin: Thanks, Meredith.

LA: Lastly, before we get into books, how are both of your summers going?

KD: I feel like I haven't had a summer yet, because it feels like every time I go to plan a vacation, something comes up. First, it was that we couldn't get a passport for the baby. I didn't even know he needed a passport. I was like, babies need passports? Yes they do. And now, it's COVID and the ups and downs of owning a small business. So I feel like I have not yet had a full-on summer with the exception of [New York’s] Riis beach, People's Beach, completely laid out with my friends. So I'm really hoping to sort of end the summer on a bang—I'm hoping. And I'm hoping you all are having a better summer than I am.

LA: I mean, I've also been to Riis beach, it's my favorite beach. Jynne, how's your summer going?

JDM: Well, I have to say for anyone on the east coast, the entire month of July was like a monsoon. This is just, I guess, the new weather. And now also on the east coast, we're getting all the smoke from the west coast, which I'm like if it is this bad here, I can't imagine what everyone else is doing and living like out there. So, it's feeling a little apocalyptic.

We have our first international trip, it's booked. It's going to happen. I'm committed to it. So we're going back to my absolute favorite city in the world D.F., Mexico City, flying out on my birthday two more weeks from now. And I'm just like, I can't even get over how excited [I am]. We have a lot of friends there. They're all excited that we're coming. Thankfully, it's an entire city of outdoor dining so we can just walk the parks, eat outdoors. There's a place I go, it's my ritual to go the moment I land, to get a mango and guanabana juice. And I just can feel that juice. It's on the horizon. I will make it, I will make it so.

MC: Happy early birthday.

JDM: Thank you, thank you. Almost Virgo season. Lale, where are you going?

LA: I'm also leaving the country. And I'm going to Antigua in the Caribbean and I'm meeting up with my best friend from London there.

JDM: Oh my God. How nice.

LA: And just go lie on the beach for a week.

JDM: I love a good friends’ trip. Such a nice way to travel.

MC: Especially when you're going somewhere so low key and you can just catch up and relax. That sounds so delightful.

LA: I know, I can't quite believe I'm... What is it? It's Thursday today and leaving on Sunday.

MC: I am also going to the beach. I'm not leaving the country, but I'm going to Hilton Head with some friends. So I feel like we are all in need of—at a bare minimum—a book to take on a trip to a beach, whether it's down the street or half a world away. I mean, nowhere we're going is half a world away, maybe like a quarter of a world away. We'll expand the reach next time we chat. But for inspiration for people who are listening, Jynne, we'll start with you as always. What books have been really exciting you recently?

JDM: Okay. So my first recommendation, it's a little more literary, but very, very moving. It's a novel called Ghost Forest by a debut novelist, Pik-Shuen Fung. And it's very much about father-daughter relationships and how—spoiler alert, going to speak a lot for myself right now—that fear that you're always disappointing your dad, like you never can be quite good enough. And it's told in this very spare, compact, concise way where chapters are just even one paragraph long and there's like 180 chapters all with these really great titles. But, so you know, there's one where she goes to her dad on advice for where to go to college. And he just says, well, none of them are Harvard, it doesn't matter. You know, that kind of painful, slightly funny, slightly dark little moments. And it's just so beautifully written. If you're a fan… To me, it was sort of like Ocean Vuong, for anyone who loved his novel, meets Lydia Davis. Like witty, spare, compact, like almost, I don't like saying poems because then you think it's like hard or literary in some way because they're not. It's actually very readable, but almost it's just like clear spare storytelling. I was really touched by this book.

MC: It sounds so good. Again, I think when we've been talking in the past about books to take on trips, things that you can get through and it can take up a day or your entire trip are really great options to bring along. Kalima, what has been a book that you have loved?

KD: This has been a very interesting reading year probably for everyone, if you can even get through a book. So I think that if I'm thinking about the beach, I think that I'm going to go with Fat Chance, Charlie Vega. And it's a [young adult] novel, a romance, but it's talking about fatphobia, it's talking about intersectionality in the space of mixed race relationships, being a mixed race child and not fitting in. Queer relationships and queer families. And the ways in which we placed upon people our own stories and our own insecurities and how that interrupts relationships.

So, I absolutely loved this book and loved that it was also a love story, not only between the main character Charlie Vega and her partner, Brian, but also between the two best friends and the mother-daughter relationship that needs a lot of healing. At the core of it is this discussion about grief and grief that is unspoken and unrecognized and how it again permeates every part of your life. And so you're eating around it and you're dancing around it, but you're not addressing it. I just loved, love, love Fat Chance, Charlie Vega. So, that's what I would take to the beach.

MC: I would love to talk to you about reading young adult books as not a young adult, because that is also the position that I'm in. I love reading YA books. What draws you to young adult books?

KD: Yeah, so I have about three on my list for today. I had never read young adult books until last year actually. And I think that I just happened upon it and now I'm addicted to it. I think that young adult books get to the heart of issues in the most succinct, digestible, and widely crazy way. But it also, I think, helps us to begin to heal our young adult selves, like the child that still exists inside of us. So, with Fat Chance, Charlie Vega, it gave me an opportunity to go back to who I was when I was in high school and to really sit with all her insecurities and love up on the person that I was back then and show compassion and ease for Charlie, and what she was going through. This is not reality because I'm not a 17-year-old, yet it is reality because I lived this life. It's getting to the real issues of the present day in the most digestible way. It's not heavy—it's fun often and it's very creative. So I'm in love with YA and I'm so sad that I've come to it so late in life.

JDM: That is like the most compelling argument for reading YA I've ever heard. I was blown away.

MC: I agree. I feel like that was just... Now I'm like, okay, I got to go pick up more.

LA: Because I was going to ask, I think a lot of people, once they've reached adulthood, kind of dismiss YA as something that is no longer for them or isn't—I think there is a certain level of snobbery as well, that it isn't literary enough or whatever. For people who are not young adults and want to dip their toes in it as an older, more experienced person, what are some books that you would recommend for them to kind of break through?

KD: Yeah. So it depends on what they're interested in, right? Like, so another one that's on my list is, If You Could Be Mine by Sara Farizan and that's a queer, LGBTQ+ book that's set in Iran. So again, intense content, but in the way that you don't have to read the sentence more than once. You read it once and it hits you, versus if you were reading an adult book, you have to read it three times over. I think something like Raybearer, if you were thinking about sci-fi, science fiction stuff. The other one that I really loved was Don't Hate the Player, another romance novel by Alexis Nedd. Just talking about gaming in an Afro-Puerto Rican community, and sort of again, addressing these heavy issues of, like, as an immigrant child, the expectation is that you're not going to be a gamer, you just don't do that. And yet she's slaying at gaming and she's interrupted a male-dominated society or sort of field. And it's just a way of having a different type of conversation that we probably are having, but in a very different, heavy, oh my gosh sort of way. Young adults, you've got to keep them engaged and excited about it, so it can't all be heaviness. There has to be levity.

LA: Which sounds perfect right now, given the... I think the past year and a half, I've gone through phases of reading really intensely and just gobbling up books and then finding it really, really, really hard to not just commit to a book, but really even just keep my attention span on a page. I have like the attention span of a gnat right now and what you just described sounds perfect for where my head is at.

KD: Yes, yes.

LA: And speaking of young adult books, I do just want to give my dear friend Jessica Goodman a shout out. Her latest book, They'll Never Catch Us, came out this week and I'm so excited for her. And then in terms of books that I've read recently, this is a bit of a contrast and it was Jynne's recommendation on an earlier podcast. I read Salvation City by Sigrid Nunez, which anyone who listened to some of the, I think it was the last books episode we did, Jynne recommended it and it is a novel that is set in a post-pandemic America, which sounds triggering and surprisingly wasn't.

JDM: And Lale, did you feel so seen, like you were like, how did Sigrid know?

LA: How did she know? I did feel incredibly seen. And I think it was just, there was something I wouldn't say comforting, but there was something enjoyably interesting about reading about the after. I think we're so sort of fixated on the before then also obviously the present, but that at some point there is an after and what does that look like? And who do people become in that after? Which is something that I'm really interested in at the moment because, not that we're out of the woods yet, but we're definitely in a new phase, in a different phase, and a slightly more hopeful one. And I feel like a slightly different person than I was in March 2020 and I'm sure most other people do too. And just reading someone who made so many very on-point observations about a global pandemic then meditate on what the after could look like, was just really fascinating to me.

MC: If she could be so right about the pandemic, maybe she could be so right about the after?

LA: Which I'm not entirely sure we want it to be.

MC: See, I haven't read the book so I don't know.

LA: Life just does go on. And I will say that [there's] a bunch of anti-vaxxers still kicking around.

MC: Jynne, since your recommendation seemed to go over so well, what else have you loved lately?

JDM: So, sorry not sorry. It's not quite out but out I think in about two weeks from when you're listening to this is the new Sally Rooney. It's called Beautiful World, Where Are You. It is so yummy. It is absolutely everything we've all been waiting for. Just as good as the previous two. And plot twist, in this new novel, the main character is herself a young woman who has become a famous novelist and is dealing with that fame. And there are scorched earth passages about the ways that people on Twitter presume to know the lives of the authors, just because they've seen their photograph, they've read them interviewed, and then they can just pass judgment on the decisions they're making with their life that are so beautifully written and you can just feel kind of, not to project too much, sorry Sally, since that's your point, but like the rage of Sally Rooney on the page being like, “You know nothing about me, nothing!” But a lot of sex, a lot of relationships, her very acute observational eye and just like a delight. Rush out and get it.

LA: And from what I gather, a decent amount of travel as well.

JDM: Yes. Yeah. That's right. She takes her brand new Tinder boyfriend to Italy early in the novel. It's quite exciting. Yeah, a lot of swiping and a lot of spontaneous trips. From page one. It's like returning to a favorite armchair. You're just like in a safe place and she's cuddling you and the language is exactly what you need it to be. And the story just reels you in.

KD: She really is a virtuoso. So she is great. She's great.

MC: I love it. Kalima, what else have you been really enjoying that you've read recently?

KD: So this is hard because I'm a little bit biased from these two Brooklyn-based authors, women of color, who both have shows coming out about their books. And I'm not even sure which one to choose, but I think that I'm going to choose Seven Days in June by Tia Williams. And I am choosing that because I really feel like it's a romance, but it's also a complicated love story. And I think that there's a difference between a romance novel and love stories. And this is a complicated love story that is about two people who met 15 years ago and then they meet up again 15 years later and they have to sort of settle whatever it is that they had, the things that were left undone. But the reason why I think that this is a gem is because she's, again, tackling so many issues in this book. It's funny, it's deep, it's hard, it triggers you. But it also is talking about issues around disability, like unseen disabilities. And so the main character has debilitating migraines and she talks about that. And it talks about the ways in which she used to live her life around this disability. And she thinks that she will never find love and that she's not worthy of love—like all this stuff is because of this disability. And sometimes we limit our care for people to what we can see versus being curious about the whole holistic person, and she really brings that into focus.

She also talks about the publishing industry—just as The Other Black Girl by Zakiya Dalila Paris. And they’re also both talking about what's happening in the publishing industry and how white it is and like the fact that folks do not have access and people critique their works in a way that they don't critique other people's work. So I think, again, these are multi-dimensional characters. In terms of Tia's book, there’s a multidimensional character that's talking about many different things. She's not a tragic story on some levels and she is seeking joy and she's talking about love and being vulnerable. And I just loved it. And the cover.

MC: I was just about to say the cover is gorgeous. It is like one of those books that if you walk past it in a bookstore, you have to purchase it because it is like, I have to read this book. I have to know what's inside. It's beautiful.

KD: So well done. I love it. I love it. And it's really funny. It's just really funny. Again, it's heavy topics, and yet it's written in a very light way and it is making me think about things in life and love—and especially Black love.

MC: I have heard so many good things about this book and the only reason I haven't picked it up is because I have such a like tall stack of books to read that I haven't been letting myself get into bookstores because I know if I do, I'm going to walk past the cover and be like, you got to buy it. Oh my gosh. But yes, it's very much on my to-read list because it just sounds so amazing. Lale, what else have you got that you have loved?

LA: So a book that I actually read on the beach in the Rockaways with Meredith a few weeks ago was Uncanny Valley by Anna Wiener. Which is a memoir. It's her first book, but she's contributed to places like The New Yorker doing a variety of essays, mostly looking at the tech industry. And her memoir is about her time working in Silicon Valley, right in the moment where it kind of really boomed in the 2010s. And also I think one of the things that's really interesting about it is, she wasn't like majorly successful in Silicon Valley. She was very much a cog in the industry and she makes these incredibly sharp observations about the power that exists in Silicon Valley, the wealth inequality in San Francisco and that wider region. And she makes very funny observations about how ridiculous these billionaires are that run these companies and these 25-year-olds that have been given too much money to play with to run these. And usually 25-year-old white men, who've been given too much money by venture capitalists to run these companies and have no idea how to run a company or manage people. And even just the observations she makes about the free snacks are chef kiss. It was so enjoyable to read. And also slightly terrifying when you think about that industry and the power that it still holds. I've been reading books that aren't, like, fun. I will say.

JDM: It's a fun read though because she is such a storyteller and so funny and how she renders it.

LA: And also the other thing that she's so skilled at doing is the way in which she never gives away who she's talking about. And you know, if you do enough research, you can figure it out. But she's very, very subtle and she never reveals names. She’s very, very skilled at it.

KD: Wonderful. There's also another one called The Startup Wife that just came out, I think a couple of weeks ago, that I'm really curious about. And hopefully I'll get to read it pretty soon.

JDM: I just want to shout out that last episode Lale was halfway through Patricia Lockwood’s No One is Talking About This, which is now a Booker Prize long list. And so congratulations on great taste, Lale. Curious how you felt about the second half. Tastemaker, prize taker.

LA: She wouldn't have been long listed without me. Patricia, if you're listening. You're welcome.

MC: Well, speaking of books that you are excited to read that have just come out or are coming out in the fall or winter. Jynne, what do you have on your new releases, soon-to-be released list of things to read?

JDM: Okay. So partly because I know you're going to cover some of the others, I just want to say quickly about two novels we have this fall that are so awesome and everyone should have on their like, add to their Goodreads to read shelf. One is the writer, Tiphanie Yanique. She's from the Virgin Islands. She had a debut novel, The Land of Love and Drowning, years ago, took time off to have kids, as one does, but she is finally back. It is a spectacular novel called Monster in the Middle. The New Yorker has already excerpted it and it’s coming in October. And it looks at generations of love and partnership and asks the question, like, did the ways our parents and grandparents and great-grandparents partnered and related to one another affect who and how we will love our partner today? So it moves through time in this really beautiful way. And it travels from the Virgin Islands, to California, to New York. It's a very good travel movement book and a great love story. So that's one. Love her.

The other one, this is a perennial favorite on this podcast, so this is why I've got a flag it. The wonderful Claire Vaye Watkins is back-

MC: You've stolen my idea Jynne.

JDM: Oh no, do you want to... I can leave it for you Meredith.

MC: Oh no. I mean, we can talk about it now. One, the title of this book, I Love You But I've Chosen Darkness, is incredible.

JDM: Mic drop. Mic drop. I Love You But I've Chosen Darkness? Yes.

MC: And the cover is just a cactus on fire.

LA: Oh yeah. The cover spoke to me.

MC: We talked about one of her other books, Gold Fame Citrus, as one of those like post-apocalyptic/apocalyptic books that you should only read if you're in the right mindset during this time, but I am so excited for her new book. And I know less about what it's about than you do, Jynne, so, I'm going to hand it back to you to talk about that.

JDM: So it's certainly auto-fiction. It is a young mother, like Claire and named Claire, who just cannot take it anymore. She can't take her husband. She can't take having a child. And she goes on a crazy desert road trip, leaving them behind, does mushrooms in Reno. And it is so funny—so dark and so funny. But if you know any parents in your life who just like cannot anymore with having children, this is the cathartic book that they have needed. I was screenshotting and texting passages to so many friends I have of young kids just being like, oh, don't you wish. Unlike Gold Fame Citrus, I will say, which is a very serious dark, mid-apocalypse novel, this is a very, very funny book. And it still is dark, Claire's humor is really on fire here.

KD: That sounds like just what mothers who've been stuck at home for a year and a half absolutely need. Some level of, you see me, you get this right? Like you get how complicated this whole thing about mothering in a pandemic or even not in a pandemic is, right? Yeah totally, I get that. I'm having those conversations a lot, about how difficult it is to be a mom and how much sacrifice it is on some levels, especially in the earlier years, it is in terms of who we are as human beings. That has to be put aside. And some of us walk into it like, yes, I'm ready to put that aside. And others walk into it a little bit more reluctantly.

LA: And I think when you say that, that's for me personally is something I think about a lot and I'm terrified about when I think about motherhood. And it's so crazy to me that people just speak to women in their thirties and they're like, so when are you having kids? As though it's like going and buying some fruit, like you just do it.

KD: Like it's just so que será, será. It's like a very, very deep, deep sacrifice and it requires a lot. You should be thinking about it very deeply and taking it very seriously. And we don't talk about the other side as much. I think that the pandemic has allowed us to talk more honestly about what it means to be a mom. But I think before that, people wanted to rosy it up all the time and that gets on my nerves. So yes, bring those kinds of stories on, because we need to sort of complicate motherhood or some real tips.

LA: And make it okay, I imagine, to say that there are days when you don't enjoy being a mother.

KD: Hello. I said, today I don't like Emiliano. She said, oh, it's just today? Because there were weeks when I did not like my children. And I was like, yes, thank you for saying that.

MC: Kalima, what books are you looking forward to reading this fall and winter?

KD: So I will tell you this, that last year I was gushing about Lobizona by Romina Garber and I am now going to start gushing about Cazadora, the second one in the series. It is back. It is undocumented, unprotected, and unbreakable. She's on her way to finding her family and making amends and bringing things together—but she's also talking about again, like what does it mean to live in the shadows? And how does that impact the way in which you engage the world and how we engage in love and relationships? Like it's always this feeling of like, this person may leave, or, not wanting the person to leave because there's nothing permanent when you are undocumented. But again, it's a YA story, a fantasy story that is getting at some deep and dark and heavy issues, social issues—including separation, like family separation in this country.

But it's told in such a way that it's heavy, but I'm willing to go there because the world around it is so beautifully done and constructed. And so you get lost in the beauty of it instead of just the trauma of it. And I think that that's again what YA and fantasy can allow for us to do. Sometimes adult books can just say, okay, well here's the tragedy and that is it. It is reality. Stick to that and we don't want to hear nothing else.

But fantasy allows you to be in a hard mess of things but in a beautiful setting. And so you can have both. You can have the love story and you can have the friendships and you can have all the stuff like around immigration and being undocumented and [having] same-sex [attraction] and like not being able to have a space, yet there's something absolutely beautiful about the world that's constructed around it. So it makes it more digestible and more sort of like easy on the heart. I cannot even tell you, it came in the mail yesterday. I literally went batshit crazy. I was like, it's here. I texted the author, I said it's here. And I'm like, I jumped right into it. I miss my friends and this is what YA can do for you.

MC: This energy is unmatched about this series. I love it so much.

KD: I love Cazadora. She did a great job with this.

MC: So exciting. Lale, What are you most excited to read coming up?

LA: So, a book that I'm excited to read and I'm going to admit that I actually know nothing about it, other than the fact that my friend who I'm meeting up with in Antigua is already there and was like, I've just finished this book and I've set it aside for you. And it's The Paper Palace, which I think is a Riverhead Book.

JDM: Indeed it is. Indeed it is.

LA: By Miranda Cowley Heller. And again, I know really nothing about it, other than people seem very excited to be reading it. And it's waiting for me on a beach.

JDM: I think it is a great beach read. It is a great beach read. Do you want just the basic premise?

MC: Yeah, give us the synopsis.

JDM: It opens—and this is the first two pages, so it's not a spoiler—a happily married woman is having a dinner party with her mother, her husband, her children, and also her childhood best friend and ex-romance crush, Jonas, his wife, kids. And she and Jonas have slipped out of the dinner party and they have fucked against the wall of the cabin. And then they've come back into the dinner party.

LA: I'm sold.

MC: Sorry, the first two pages?

JDM: Yeah.

KD: So wait, is this like a... Yes, I'm here for all of it. So what's the underlying, what is she tackling? What issue is she tackling in this book?

JDM: Well, I don't want to spoil too much for Lale, but it's basically what do you do when you have two choices and you want both of them, but they're in conflict? And I think this is a question maybe emerging from the pandemic when you're saying, who do I want to be on the other side of this? Some people are making some major upheaval life decisions. I don't know about you guys, I have several friends who got divorced during the pandemic. Others who got together and are getting married. But like, what version of myself—this has really woken us up. There's one life to live, who do I want to be in it? And it's easy when one choice is good and one is bad, but what about when they both are really appealing, but in total conflict. So, she’s secretly harbored this love for Jonas since she was little. A tragic thing that I won't say more about is a reason that they never did actually get together, but she's always wondered what it would be like to be with him. Meanwhile, she's happily married, she has these kids. Is she going to throw that all away now at age 50? Like tough, tough. Lale has got to read 300 pages to find out what she is going to do.

KD: Yeah, I am all for that. You're absolutely right. Like, I think that there... This is a time when people are asking major questions of themselves, and especially women. We've talked about the imbalance, the third shift whatever, like we've talked about imbalance for many years, but I think that it was taken to another level for the past year and a half. And I will say as, you know, Afro Latinx and with a toddler and a husband that tries his hardest, I reached my own limit with what I was going to tolerate from him. And saying to myself, you've really operated as a second species, like the lowest species for too long. Get it together. And so I do think that this is the time when these books are necessary. Again, it gives us permission to question, not to live an unquestioned life, not to live an unexamined life, just because everything is falling into place. Enough of that. I think this world closing down has really opened something up for folks.

JDM: Wow. Look out, Brené Brown. Today's podcast is just like life wisdom.

MC: I was like, if that is not the most powerful sentence to end this episode on, I really don't think we're going to come up with a better one.

LA: Also, can't believe that I literally was like yeah, this book that I know I should read but I don't know anything about lead to this moment of complete profoundness.

KD: It's time.

JDM: Standing ovation, Kalima. Beautiful.

KD: Lale, you have a good friend on hand for that.

LA: Yeah, I'm like, my husband's gone for a run and I'm just like all right, sorry. No Jonas around here.

MC: Well, thank you guys so much for joining us today. If people want to keep up with what you and Cafe Con Libros are up to, Kalima, where can they find you on the internet?

KD: Yeah, on Instagram @CafeConLibros_BK.

MC: Perfect. And Jynne?

JDM: I'm on Twitter with Jynne with four n's @jynnnne and also Riverhead Books always has what our great books and authors are up to.

MC: Amazing. I'm @ohheytheremere.

LA: I'm @lalehannah.

MC: You'll be able to find links to all of the books that Kalima, Jynne, Lale, and I have mentioned in this episode in the show notes. So be sure to check them out, and if you want to pick any up to read for yourself, be sure to buy them from your local indie. Be sure also to follow Women Who Travel on Instagram @womenwhotravel and sign up for our bi-weekly newsletter. Thank you both again so much for joining us and we'll talk to you next week.

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