7 times Lourdes Leon and her mom Madonna have spoken about their relationship

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Madonna and Lourdes Leon at the Met Gala in 2017 and 2021, respectively. John Shearer / Getty Images / John Shearer / WireImage
  • Lourdes Leon recently told Interview Magazine that she thinks her mom, Madonna, is a "control freak."

  • Madonna has admitted to being a strict mom in the past to avoid her children becoming spoiled.

  • The pair have also both spoken about their admiration for each other.

Lourdes Leon recently told Interview Magazine that she had to become "completely independent" from her mother because Madonna is "such a control freak."

Lourdes "Lola" Leon took part in Rihanna's Savage X Fenty Vol. 3 fashion show.
Lourdes "Lola" Leon took part in Rihanna's Savage X Fenty Vol. 3 fashion show. Kevin Mazur/Getty Images for Rihanna's Savage X Fenty Show Vol. 3 Presented by Amazon Prime Video

Lourdes Leon is Madonna's first child, born in 1996 while the singer was dating fitness trainer Carlos Leon.

Leon did not hold back about her mother when she was asked why she paid for her own college tuition in an interview with Interview Magazine.

"We don't get any handouts in my family," Leon began. "Obviously, I grew up with extreme privilege. There's no denying that. But I think my mom saw all these other kids of famous people, and she was like, 'My kids are not going to be like this.'"

She continued: "Also, I feel like if your parents pay for things, then it gives them leverage over you. My mom is such a control freak, and she has controlled me my whole life. I needed to be completely independent from her as soon as I graduated high school."

Madonna has spoken about how tough she is on all her children, including Leon.

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Madonna and a young Lourdes Leon. Chris Harding/Getty Images

Madonna has talked in the past about being a tough parent in order to protect her six children from becoming spoilt.

In 1998, two years after Lourdes was born, Madonna told the LA Times: "I do spoil [Lourdes], but I have my boundaries. If she had her way, she'd be eating candy all day. She loves candy. ...Unfortunately, all of my friends do spoil her when they come around. But what can you do?"

She also mentioned her parenting style during an interview with Rock Center's Harry Smith in 2012.

The pop icon said: "I think I am [a tough parent], but honestly, I don't think I'm as tough as I should be. I think I need to be maybe tougher. It's hard though. It's hard, every day is a negotiation."

During the Interview Magazine conversation, Leon did share some advice from her mother that she holds on to.

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Lourdes Leon at a Versace fashion show. Mondadori Portfolio / Getty Images

Leon said that her rigid upbringing has helped her in the long run. Speaking to Interview Magazine, she shared advice that she had been given from Madonna.

"She said something to me recently that has really stuck with me," she said. "I've been so concerned with making a decent living, and wanting to live more luxuriously than I was when I first graduated and wasn't earning a lot of money. She was like, 'Remember, this shit is not real."

"It's not about the money or your face or how hot you look. It's about what you're bringing into the world and what you're going to leave behind,'" Leon continued. "That always shakes me awake when I get too caught up in everything."

Madonna also had advice when Leon started getting involved in modeling, she recalled.

Leon, whose stage name is Lola, said: "She's very much like, 'Proceed with caution and think about what you want to be known for.' I've thought a lot about that recently, because as a 'model,' you're basically relying on your looks."

"It can feel very overwhelming, and can potentially cause a lot of insecurity. Obviously, you're not going to look the same your whole life. My mom is very insistent on making me think about what I want to be known for beyond my looks. That's not what I want people to remember me by. It's not real," the 25-year-old added.

Leon is still protective of her mother.

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Madonna and Lourdes Leon. Pascal Le Segretain/Getty Images

Earlier this year, Leon's Instagram gained much recognition due to harsh comments she sent in response to fans who mentioned her mother in her comments.

One fan said about her first post: "not u thirst trapping… what would ur mom think?"

Leon responded with: "does your mom know u don't wash ur ass."

Leon spoke about this further to Interview Magazine.

"It's really funny to me," She said. "People are always really taken aback when I say that, because it's like, 'Bitch, don't talk about my mom if you don't want me to talk about your mom. You want to call my mom a whore? Okay, your mom is a whore.' If you feel like you have the right to comment on my mother, then I'm going to do the same to you."

Madonna has spoken to Vogue about trying to inspire her daughter to reach her full potential.

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Madonna's 80s fashion. Barry Sweet/Getty Images

In an interview with Vogue, Madonna praised her "insanely talented" eldest child saying: "I'm green with envy because she's incredible at everything she does – she's an incredible dancer, she's a great actress, she plays the piano beautifully, she's way better than me in the talent department."

"But she doesn't have the same drive, and again, I feel social media plagues her and makes her feel like, 'People are going to give me things because I'm her daughter,' she continued. "I try to give her examples of other children of celebrities like Zoë Kravitz, for instance, who have to work through that 'Oh yeah, you're the daughter of…' – and then eventually you are taken seriously for what you do. You just have to keep going."

"But does she have the same drive that I have? No. But she also has a mother, and I didn't. She grew up with money, and I didn't. So everything is going to be different. But what can I do? I can't fixate on it. I just have to do my best."

During an interview with Vogue earlier this year, Leon rejected claims that she's a "talentless rich kid." She revealed her big dreams to Interview Magazine saying: "I want to create a world in which models have more agency over what they're doing, and they're not just silent clothing racks. That's the age that we're coming into in the fashion world: models as personalities and artists."

Madonna said Leon moving out of home was an "absolutely devastating experience."

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Madonna. Angela Weiss/Getty Images

Most mothers have a hard time watching their children grow up and Madonna is no different.

In 2013, Madonna said on "Good Morning America" about Leon growing up: "It's kind of uncomfortable. She's still my little girl and also a woman. Ever since my daughter got an iPhone, she stopped talking to me."

And in 2015, Madonna told "The Ellen DeGeneres Show" that Leon moving out was "an absolutely devastating experience."

"My sister said it to me when her son went away. I was like, 'Oh my God, you're being so dramatic.' She was, like, bawling and bawling," Madonna said on the show, according to People. "And then my daughter left me, and I fell into the deepest depression. And I'm always so happy when she calls me and she says, 'Mommy, I miss you' or 'I need you to rub my head.'"

Leon told Interview Magazine that she admires her mother's influence and work ethic.

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"Like a Virgin" was released on November 12, 1984. Warner Records

Despite criticizing her mother's "controlling" parenting in Interview Magazine, Leon praised the work Madonna has done during her time as an artist during the same interview.

"My experience with my mom's music has changed so much as I've gotten older, because I'm increasingly able to recognize how influential and amazing this woman is, and how empowering to other women and ahead of her time she has always been," the 25-year-old model said.

"I didn't fully comprehend that until I realized the importance of empowerment and what it means to be a woman. She's probably the hardest worker I've ever seen. I didn't inherit that, unfortunately. I inherited her control issues, but not her work ethic."

Leon's first clothing line was also based on her mother's style in the 1980s and named after Madonna's hit song "Material Girl."

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