Former President Donald Trump's attorney told a Fulton County court Friday that the Georgia election interference indictment against Trump "needs to be dismissed" on the grounds that it prosecutes conduct protected by the First Amendment.
The argument came in the first of two hearings scheduled Friday in which attorneys for the former president and several of his co-defendants are seeking the dismissal of the case or a delay in the case's upcoming deadlines.
"You take the facts as alleged in the indictment ... and when you do that ... you find that it violates free speech, freedom of petitioning, all the expressions that the First Amendment is designed to protect," Trump's attorney Steve Sadow told the court.
It marked the first time Trump's team has presented arguments in the case.
"Every single count of the complaint, every single act ... relates to that political speech regarding probably the most important election in 2020 -- the presidential election," said Chris Anulewicz, an attorney for Trump co-defendant Robert Cheeley.
Anulewicz made the bulk of the First Amendment arguments before the court, telling the judge that political speech is "given the highest level of protection of any speech."
A prosecutor for the Fulton County district attorney's office pushed back on the First Amendment argument, saying the case that goes far beyond speech.
"Some of these are crimes involving expression; some of them are not," Deputy District Attorney Will Wooten said. "Conspiracy is not a crime involving expression. It's a crime involving a corrupt agreement."
"The list goes on and on," Wooten said.
Sadow also pushed back on the Aug. 5 trial date proposed by the Fulton County district attorney, citing the timing of the 2024 presidential election.
"Can you imagine the notion of the Republican nominee for president not being able to campaign for the presidency because he is in some form or fashion in a courtroom defending himself?" Sadow asked the court. "That would be the most effective election interference in the history of the United States. And I don't think anybody wants to be in that position."
"Let's be clear -- this is not election interference," responded Fulton County special prosecutor Nathan Wade. "This is moving forward with the business of Fulton County."
Judge Scott McAfee brought up the question of what what would happen if Trump won the election, asking, "Could he even be tried in 2025?"
"The answer to that is, I believe, that under the supremacy clause and his duties as president, this trial would not take place at all until after he left his term of office," Sadow responded.
At one point, an attorney for Trump co-defendant John Eastman jumped in to offer his client's opinion that the trial date should be set earlier than August.
"There are a number of defendants, as noted, who are not running for president of the United States," he said.
Trump and 18 others pleaded not guilty in August to all charges in the Fulton County district attorney's sweeping racketeering indictment for alleged efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election in the state of Georgia. Defendants Kenneth Chesebro, Sidney Powell, Jena Ellis and Scott Hall subsequently took plea deals in exchange for agreeing to testify against other defendants.
Judge McAfee indicated that he would likely break up the case's 14 remaining defendants into multiple trials -- but that it was "still a little too far out" to set the maximum number of defendants per trial.
"Even 12 defendants would be pushing it," said McAfee. "That's where I'm at now."
Sadow also argued for access to discovery materials in the federal election interference case brought against Trump by special counsel Jack Smith, saying there is "remarkable" overlap between the two cases and asking for authorization to subpoena Smith's team and Trump's D.C. counsel for the records.
"All I'm asking for is a list of the discovery, so I'm able to determine what they have," Sadow argued, saying there is "no doubt" that the special counsel's office "has relevant and material information that deals with the allegations in this case."
"A perfect example is what just came out about Vice President Pence," he told the judge, citing ABC News' recent reporting that Mike Pence had earlier this year told the special counsel's team that, among other things, he had informed Trump in the days before the Jan. 6 Capitol attack that he still hadn't seen evidence of significant election fraud -- but that Trump was unmoved and continued to claim the election was stolen.
The district attorney's office responded that their case was "independent" from any other investigation, but that "to the extent it is being made our business, we intend to cooperate."
Judge McAfee tabled the issue for the time being, saying, "We'll put a pin in it for next time."
Also Friday, lawyers for Trump's former chief of staff Mark Meadows and former Justice Department official Jeffrey Clark present arguments seeking to delay several rapidly approaching deadlines in the case.
Meadows' attorney told the judge he is seeking an extension while he works to have his case removed to federal court.
"I don't think this is a big ask. I don't think it prejudices the state at all," Meadows' attorney told the judge.
Clark's attorney asked for a brief extension based on scheduling issues and the magnitude of the legal issues Clark is facing.
"I detest whining by lawyers, but there is only so much I can get done," Clark's attorney, Harry MacDougal, told the judge.