Tom Schwartz Defends Katie as Tom Sandoval Labels Her “the Very Definition of Evil”

Despite the fact that both Vanderpump Rules cast members play a big role in Tom Schwartz's life, Katie Maloney and Tom Sandoval have never really gotten along. In fact, the way Sandoval sees it, his best friend's ex-wife is actually "the very definition of evil."

He stated as much on the May 21 episode of the Vanderpump Rules Season 11 After Show as he and Schwartz and Jax Taylor were discussing whether or not Katie's "level of anger" towards Jo Wenberg was "justified."

Replied Sandoval, "I think Katie's level of anger is rarely ever on par with the action."

Schwartz agreed, noting, "I would concur, even coming from someone who still loves her and appreciates [her], that's 100 percent a fact."

Sandoval pressed on, claiming that Katie "openly talks about how she enjoys watching people suffer and stuff."

"That is the very definition of evil," he added, at which point Schwartz decided to stick up for her.

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"I don't think she enjoys people suffering," Schwartz said, "but she will pray on people's downfalls."

Sandoval then recalled the comment Katie made about Scheana Shay during Vanderpump Rules Season 10. "She literally said, 'I will smile and laugh and watch her burn,'" he told Schwartz and Jax.

The real comment, however, was, "Karma's gonna come for you and I'll watch your world burn and I'll smile."

How is Katie's relationship with Tom Schwartz today?

On the Vanderpump Rules After Show, Schwartz said he was hesitant to engage in Sandoval's criticism of Katie because they're finally on good terms. That said, Schwartz did state, "We're in such a good place, I don't want to talk trash, but yeah, she's probably one of the more vindictive people I've ever met in my life."

How is Tom Sandoval's relationship with Katie Maloney today?

Katie and Sandoval are not friends, but he recently apologized to her for any role he might have played in her and Schwartz's split.

"I want to apologize to you for the way I acted last year during your divorce," Sandoval told her on Vanderpump Rules Season 11, Episode 8. "I know that you were going through a lot and probably didn't need any of that extra sh-t."

Katie reflected on the apology during the VPR After Show, explaining that while Sandoval may have contributed to her and Schwartz's marital issues, Schwartz "allowed" that, which was the bigger problem.

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Schwartz, however, didn't think that Sandoval did anything wrong at all. "I don't put any blame on you for the end of our marriage," he said to Sandoval on the VPR After Show. "I take full responsibility for my shortcomings. I don't have anyone to really blame but myself, to be honest."

To that, Sandoval suggested, "Maybe the bar [Schwartz & Sandy's], a little bit," and Schwartz agreed. "It was so f-cking demanding, unrelenting, opening the bar," he said. "I became absorbed in that world. I wish I could have done things differently, been there for her more, but man, it just was f-cking insane."

For more from Sandoval, Schwartz, Katie, and the rest of the Vanderpump Rules cast, watch the Vanderpump Rules After Show video above.