Duchess Meghan's last 'Archetypes' podcast tackles toxic masculinity with Trevor Noah, Andy Cohen

Duchess Meghan's "Archetypes" podcast has focused on the labels that negatively impact women. For the finale, she turned to how men can be better allies.

On Tuesday's episode, the Duchess of Sussex invited comedian Trevor Noah, "Watch What Happens Live" host Andy Cohen and director Judd Apatow to discuss allyship and how toxic masculinity is just as harmful to men as it is to women.

"I wonder if in some ways part of the solution for allowing women to have the space to be something more than just an archetype – is in also giving men the liberty to be more sensitive, more vulnerable, more expressive, more open," Meghan pondered at the start of her podcast. "Because at the core of so many of these archetypes we’ve been discussing in this series, has really been the way that women's emotions are used against them. But maybe if men were more outward with their emotions, that expression would be less stigmatized."

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Noah said that although "Martin Luther King Jr. was rightfully given credit for so much of the work he was doing," his wife Coretta Scott King "is oftentimes a footnote, when in fact, she was the driving force for many of of his ideas and and many of the most impactful moments in the movement."

"This (is) unfortunately the world that many women and especially Black women have existed in for a long time," he added.

Meghan then posed a question to Noah about how men can shift some of that dialogue, especially in media. "As men, we have to grow comfortable in our vulnerability. If we exist in a space where we are perpetually portraying the stoic idea of what a man is, I think it's limiting," he responded. "Many men have to become a little more comfortable understanding that they can be soft, they can be intimate, they can be kind, they can be crying. They can be all of these things and still be a great man."

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Noah and Apatow expressed how the women in their lives have shaped and evolved their careers.

Noah, who is leaving "The Daily Show" after 7 years as host, shared that his showrunner, executive producers and many writers on his team are women because the diversity is reflective of the real world. "You should be creating in a way that reflects your world. Otherwise, you're going to be missing something," he said.

Apatow, whose wife Leslie Mann has been his longstanding co-collaborator, similarly shared that his understanding of female characters completely shifted after meeting Mann and having their daughters Maude, 24, and Iris, 20. "I wouldn't know anything if it wasn't for them," he told Meghan. "And you could see it in the arc of my career. As they arrive, I start understanding things."

The "ultimate lesson" he learned from them is the importance of collaboration. "I can't do most of this alone. I do need to sit in a room with somebody from another gender, another culture, another sexuality and say, what's it like for you and for us to do it together," Apatow reflected.

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Meghan admitted during her "Archetypes" podcast that it was "tough" for her to believe the "Real Housewives" franchise was "feminist," but she thought it was "important to really hear Andy out on this."

Cohen, who is also the executive producer on the shows, said the "Real Housewives of New York City" is "one of the most feminist shows on TV."

"It's about women who are over 50, close to 60, who are so in touch with their sexuality, but they don't need men to define them and they're in control," he said.

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Nonetheless, the Bravo host said women "have shaped my entire life" from executive producers of the "Housewives" shows to the cast members to his mother. "For me, it's just showcasing their stories and letting them shine and fly."

Meghan closed out the episode by asking the men, "What is one stereotype or idea that you believed about women when you were a young boy that doesn’t stand true to you now, as the man that you are today?"

For Cohen, he said it was that women are "dramatic," adding, "And I think that I might still have that feeling that women are more dramatic than men."

"I think (women) express themselves more. I think that they are conditioned to express themselves more. And I think when you express yourself more, it leads to feelings being shared and conversations," he further explained. "And I think men keep it really bottled up and are probably messes inside. I mean, I'm teaching my son. We talk about emotions every day. 'What do you feel? Why do you feel this way?' I'm someone who speaks my emotions – when I feel a certain way, I will express it. It helps me to go to bed at night and just feel centered. It's so freeing to be able to speak your feelings."

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This article originally appeared on USA TODAY: Duchess Meghan talks with famous men for final 'Archetypes' episode